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Phoenix	Snape caring for Harry	Lead	[-]
Posts: 231 ( 5 August, 2007 06:51) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Ok, this bit isn't very obvious to me as I feel it should be...but when Dumbledore asks Snape whether he cares for Harry after all, and Snape replies "For him?!", then does his patronus..... ...so does that mean 'no' in the sense it was always and only for Lily he did what he did, or 'yes' in the sense that after all these years, he still holds Lily's patronus as a sign he has grudgingly come to care for Harry despite how unwilling. (There's also the tears in DD's eyes after). edit: I edited the typo in the title, nothing much.
Inkadm	Re: Sanpe caring for Harry	#1	[-]
Posts: 819 ( 5 August, 2007 10:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Jo said once that love is a big thing in the books. And as it turns out it's not Lily's or Harry's love that counted, but also Snape's. Here I can understand Snape's confusion about Harry, who was not only the child of a woman Snape loved, but also a child of a man he hated, so as Dumbledore said he was seeing in Harry what he wanted to see... but as he was capable of love he also somehow extended that feeling on Harry, at least in some degree.
Richal	Re: Sanpe caring for Harry	#2	[-]
Posts: 85 (22 August, 2007 04:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* (There's also the tears in DD's eyes after). I understood that to be tears in Snape's eyes... I thought Dumbledore at first, then Snape, but Iuno. It says " Dumbledore watched her fly away, and as her silvery glow faded he turned back to Snape, and his eyes were full of tears." Seems kind of ambiguous to me. I definitely think Snape's meaning behind "For him?" is clearly that it was Not for him, but for Lily. However, that dosen't mean that Snape didn't care for him, though I don't really see it being true. Then again, he gave Harry all of those memories, most of which were unnecessary for him to complete the task ahead (and vindicate Snape). On top of that, though, some people think he didn't mean for all of those memories to come pouring out, but his life was sort of flashing before his eyes, and it just sort of happened. So many possibilities! Personally, I think Snape took over the role of the "tough love" father/protector of Harry. It seems probable that he would want to show Harry all of these memories to show his true motives and how he felt, and didn't really care about "wearing his heart on his sleeve" by showing Harry because, well, he was dying, and woudln't have to worry about keeping up his tough appearance. And he probably knew deep down that Harry was like Lily in many ways and would not think of what he did as a weakness, like Voldy would, but as a strength of sorts. If, for any given scenario, there are multiple probable outcomes, and one thinks of all outcomes but one, the outcome that was not considered will have the greatest probablility of becoming true.
Phoenix	Re: Sanpe caring for Harry	#3	[-]
Posts: 231 (22 August, 2007 06:25) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	There's been a fair bit of debate on some other boards about this, and the conclusion is that it is up to the reader to decide. I took it as DD's tears because it is all the same sentence as what DD is feeling/seeing - grammatically, it would imply DD had the tears. But the way I see it, when Harry first started at Hogwarts, Snape only protected Harry because of Lily. But at the end, he had some sort of grudging respect and caring for him. Not caring as in the warm and fuzzy feeling, but care as in what happened to him for his sake, and not Lily's alone. Especially after 6 years of protecting somebody, it is hard not to form a bond of some sort. Snape's feelings are probablya love-hate relationship, although to snape he wishes it were simply a hate-hate relationship and won't admit it.
witchsnape	Re: Sanpe caring for Harry	#4	[-]
Posts: 4 (22 August, 2007 07:36) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	At first I thought it was Snapes tears but reading agian I think it was Dumbledores. Im not sure if Snape cared for Harry but after spending that long protecting him probably felt something knowing he had to die.
Padfoot1	Re: Snape caring for Harry	#5	[-]
Posts: 956 (28 August, 2007 23:50) Oldie Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Love does not always express itself in soft words and gentle caresses. If we assume that Snape had a tough love for Harry... A love that was determined that Harry should not be like his father... Then it explains why Snape was so quick to take offense at the things that were the most James-like about Harry... For example, when Harry saw into Snape's pensieve. But I recall, in particular, the scene in HBP where Snape discovers that Harry has done a sectumsempra on Draco. After uttering the countercurse, Severus turns his attention to the idea that Harry has gotten hold of the Potions Book of the Half-Blood Prince. We assume that this is because Snape is jealous of his own hard-earned secret knowledge -- but it could also be because he fears for Harry, learning things beyond his skill. Finally, in HBP, note how offended Snape becomes when Harry attempts to use his own curse against him. We assume that it is, again, jealousy for his own knowledge -- but could it not be, again, an attempt to discipline and improve Harry's skill? In that duel, doesn't it seem as if Snape is still trying to teach -- telling Harry what he's doing wrong, goading him to better effort, toying with him a chessmaster toys with a student? Love casts a peculiar new light on all that we know and all that we've read about poor Severus... Whose portrait presumably sneers when young Albus Severus Potter gets called to the headmaster's office... president \| election \| candidate
Phoenix	...	#6	[-]
Posts: 231 (29 August, 2007 07:41) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	nah I reckon Snape simply was furious at Harry for violating copyright. Snape cared for Harry but hated him all the same. It is possible. But a lot of things snape feels, I don't believe even he knows. He's a confused man.
Linda Lupos	Re: ...	#7	[-]
Posts: 974 (29 August, 2007 10:36) Prefect Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* A love that was determined that Harry should not be like his father... Then it explains why Snape was so quick to take offense at the things that were the most James-like about Harry... That is a VERY good point, and looking back Snape did try to squash down everything that was James-like in Harry: rulebreaking, talking back to teachers, even Quidditch! Shame for Harry that his Jamesness is very much on the surface, unlike his Lilyness, so that's the first thing Snape would notice and then he wouldn't care to dig deeper to try and see if there's a Lily underneath. $:\$ With that thought, I think Snape, with regards to Sectumsempra and Levicorpus, was also afraid that Harry would steal 'his' spells and then there would be another Potter who 'got the better of him', so to speak. Who would be better than him - or at least on his level! And after Potter Sr. stole his Lily, we can't have Potter Jr. running off with his spells, too, eh? "Why do I have the feeling that someday I'll be describing this to a psychiatrist?" My LifeJournal
lambowolf1	Re: ...	#8	[-]
Posts: 818 (31 August, 2007 19:08) Prefect Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Very Good points indeed.. indeed... "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." -Douglas Adams GO ASTROS!!!!! AstroCast The Writer's Quill
Pixiedragon	Re: ...	#9	[-]
Posts: 460 ( 3 September, 2007 10:46) Oldies Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* Snape cared for Harry but hated him all the same. It is possible. But a lot of things snape feels, I don't believe even he knows. He's a confused man. Ron: Snape: J.K. Rowling: No! Not everybody falls in love with everybody else... Says the one who made Severus/Lily practically canon. Still not believing!
CuteScottyboy2006		#10	[-]
Posts: 339 (29 January, 2008 09:11) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Let us not forget that James too used Snape's own spells against him So it was like his schooldays all over again. Snape running away as Harry,(James's son),attacked him from behind on the same ground that James used to bully him with his own spells many years ago. That's where the offense comes from,that and being called a coward at which he is incensed,knowing that everything he has done since Lilly's death has in fact been the absolute opposite of cowardice. James probably used to call him a coward too. It would rather fit seeing as courage was James and his best friend Sirius's most prized quality throughout both of their lives and Slytherins are not exactly known for the Gryffindor sense of honour in courage. Snape was still always a Slytherin in almost every conceivable way.
darkflux		#11	[-]
Posts: 153 (21 July, 2008 04:27) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	At no point did snape care for harry. He only helped him to try and repay his debt to lilly.

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